Ive got about 2-3 Months to figure out what car I want. The only problem im having is all i know is Honda's but i really want to get away from that Crowd and get into something different. HINT "ZX2" "NEON" or something fun to drive something I will enjoy driving.


If u can think of any cool fun cars to get leave me a reply on this post. please note


1- nothing really expensive

2- Nothing OLD

3- Something that can be rebuilt/ wrecked car or blown motor.

4- Keep eyes out from ZX2's After driving Brads I feel in love with them all over again and yours too INSTA

5- And something that everyone on tuners knows about hint ZX2's and NEON'S



Thanks a lot


Matt

Why not? You're leaving out a great breed of car that can be made some of the fastest on the street -- the DSM. (unless you mean old like 67 Chevelle or something)

Definitely keep all options open, I love cars of all eras and there is nothing wrong with building something different.

you could always try and find a contour. on a side note, I may have to disown my brother...he just bought a Honda Fit.

mazda all the way man. realiable and tunable, just not mine,,its retired,, but yeah you should get a mazda. like a 6 or 3.

...or a Miata!


(626 is very similar to an Accord. Some came with a v6 and 5 speed manuals. Could be very fun and yet comfortable. Some 626s are very affordable now.)

Miata is the only MAZDA I would ever drive but yeah I dont really care if its old either but thats all ive ever had kinda wanted something newer.


And brian yes like a 69 or so is too old lol I just want something fun and not purple!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Matt





Just give me some idea's and ill google them to check them out I just want to get my mind made up so i can start saving 200+ a week


Matt

I'll sell you my car for $6000, straight up, no fooling. It might be above or below blue book, I dont' care. As it sits right now.

I dont got that kinda money


Matt

Loan?

Im 17 and i cant get one anyways lol


Matt

person opinions on something different but fun: Mazda

I'd go either miata (more expensive usaully)

or

90/91 +
escort gt
escort lx-e
Mercury tracer LTS
Protege lx (up to 95 I believe)
or if you want to have some real fun get a mazda 323 and do a bpt swap on.

All those cars have the bp motor, same as the miata's just diff electronics and miata's have an updated version.

Personal opinion, get one of those then do a JDM bpt swap , boost controller, front mount IC, pipes, exhaust, small tuning you'll have 300whp easily. Then do zx2 s/r rear control arm upgrade, zx2 front sway bar, zx2 ES kit, some ground controls, tokico s/r struts, then an infini body swap (protege) or if you get an 323 get some gtr bumpers from australia. You'll have a bad ass car and a car that is truely a sleeper..
A good bpt can run 12's

to do a bpt swap your looking at 1k plus misc parts, then all the other mods...overall if you bought a car, and went towards 300 whp you'd have somewhere around 3k into it all....depends what kinda deal you get on a car.




hmmm I'm thinking

You seem to have forgotten the many rules with DSMs(all basically one but they are split up for ease).

1. Know how to do engine swaps blind folded...you will need to know how...including blind wiring connector plugging and unplugging
2. Expect engine swaps or head swaps to happen regardless of how well you maintain the car
3. If Your car is driving along fine and all of sudden you hear a bang or knock expect an engine swap(could be nothing but expect the worst)
4. Know how to do all of your own work
5. Have friends that will even touch the damn thing
6. Know how to do all of your own work
7. Remember to change your timing belt as frequently as you can possibly afford and inspect the crap out of the new belt going on each time.
8. Keep a very very close eye on your timing belt for any wear at all, stretching, melting, cracking, marks, anything

Besides that yea I totally agree. They are great cars if you know what your doing and have the money to keep up with them.

If you cant do one thing on the list you arent a good dsm owner.

zx2s are cool...but they're meh. Dont know much about neons honestly. Why not get into something else entirely. Dont rely on other peoples knowledge of a car when deciding what you want. It makes it more of a challenge for mostly you but also more of a learning experiance for everyone that helps you with your car in the future. Any good mechanic can work on any car regardless...Itll just depend how many swear words come out of their mouth during the activity.

I vote with jarred. Do something different. Swap an older car. Make it your own.

And what exactly is old to you. To me my 99 is old. My 90 shadow is almost a classic. How do you define it

the vote count is in, BPT it is.

BPT gets you sex , just remember that.

i would go with inis and do the 300whp miata route.

300whp, 323, protege, escort gt, escort lx-e, tracer lts

Okay so i should keep my escort Lx and turn it into a GT sounds good....!
I need some help though with finding a GT motor and Trany and the struts and rear disk brakes. WHO IS UP FOR THE JUNK YARD!!!!!!!!!!!!


Matt

oh, I like the shelby turbo dodge route! They can haul for dirt.

I concur. A daytona or shadow with a 2.5 turbo would be hella pimp. The 2.5 and 2.2 turbo comes in a whole lot of cars...like a whole lot.

The issue I have found with dodge 2.2 and 2.5 builds is the fact that everything is expensive respectively. A motor build for my zx2 is far less expensive than the dodge and my resale value is much higher on my zx2 than the dodge. Which is expected for the age of the vehicle...but still. I was going to do a shadow build up but it was just way too much money for me to drop into it.

I wouldn't do a escort GT swap as you arent going to be gaining much at all...If you are swaping swap to the BPT and get real power.

I agree with you on that. They had an 89 CSX for sale here in Gardner. Just a little FYI, there were only 500 of those made. It was in pretty good shape too exterior wise. They carry the 2.2 turboII, Ithink it puts out 176hp? Not sure though. Bad ass rare car for $4500, not too many miles either. I just didn't want to go from an 01 to an 89. 2.2 turbo Dodges respond very well to mods. check out TurboDodge Very reliable cars. (It might be more expensive) Plus Ford parts are bound to be cheaper since there are so many of them and easy to find. Where as the Shelby Dodge cars are a rare breed and not too many were built. Hence being expensive.




Why are you comparing a specific car to a manufacturer?
I checked Kbb and the resale is pretty much the same with a 00' Zx2 comapred to an 00' Neon if thats what you were trying to say.

so what the heck should i doooo lol im trying to get it all set up but i cant with all these options!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRGGGGG
and I dont know what a BPT swap is either lol i know i might sound stupid but all i know is honda's and some ZX2's


Matt

is BPT a mazda motor???

The 2.2 and 2.5 is the exact same block. I know the ins and outs of every part in those chrysler motors...so dont pull that on me. I learned most of what I know on that car. The fact is that motor has been discontinued. Parts are more expensive for it now. The cars that came with it have little to no resale value. Even the shelbys go for spit because noone knows what the hell it is.

I said my zx2 has better resale value as in MY shadow and MY zx2 were sitting side by side. I chose to keep and mod my zx2 vs keep both and dump shittons of money into the shadow to evenually have to turn it around and sell it for NOTHING.

I love the chrysler 2.2/2.5 more than most people realize I just dont have the funding to do one up the way Id want. And I dont see myself ever having that type of funding, because parts will get more seldom and more expensive as the years go on. They are not high demand and most of them are rusted or f'd up by the owner at this point.

Now dont get me wrong but honestly if dodge would have continued the legacy by putting the 2.2 and 2.5 in the neons I honestly would probably own one now. But they didnt.

Matt:
The BPT is a 1.8 liter turbo motor found in japanese domestic mazdas. I am unsure as whether they came in any american cars. I would typically tell people to do research research and more research...but Im not looking to piss anyone off. But honestly read anything relating to the BPT and/or swap. Run google, yahoo, msn. Anything. The more knowledge you soak up the more confidence you will have going into the project. Ask jarred though. He will at least point you in the right direction.

I dont like to do anything on a car if its not a learning experiance for someone....otherwise its routine maintenance.

get an old turbo mr2

Gotcha. No hard feelings.

HOLY CRAP EVERYONE KEEPS TELLING ME CARS AFTER I SAID I WAS PIMPING OUT MY SCORT. I might just drop the Gt 1.8 motor into it after building it completly the way i want it. and then doing the lowering kit and drop shittons of money into it or i might just settle down and get a ZX2 or something along them lines but every one and there mommy has a ZX2 even piglets mommy drives a ZX2 now lol. Sorry Paul but she does sometimes lol. But it really depends on when the money starts rolling in cause i could have around 3 grand in about 2.5 months or so. I might just get something no one knows about for the learning experents and everything to better are tuners

Matt

I really want a neon still keeps eyes out for a wreck or one with a blown motor i love engine swaps

M<att

engine swaps while they can be fun...also lead to swearing

Amen to that bro. I have done a few myself, even the easy ones make you invent new words.

Heck yeah they do. pustang swap 3 weeks ago i think i used about 500,000,000 new sware words

Ok, it's time for my .02. I don't think that my DSM's were represented in a very good light. Let's get a few things straight. While no one is going to dispute that DSM's are crunch motors, so are a SLEW of others. We're not the only ones and we're not the worst. You just hear about ours because the amount still on the road. I can only think of one 4cyl motor that is equal to the power the 4g63 can make and that's the Nissan SR20-DET. I'm talking about bang for your buck. You can buy a 1st gen Turbo AWD for $2500 and throw less than $2000 on top of that and you're in the 13's easy. And can be driven daily. DSM's are fantastic cars. Now the down side, you have to remember that they are in most cases 15 years old. They are going to have some issues. If you're a hands on guy and you're willing to learn, you can build one NASTY beast of a car. Plus, there are great sites that will help you out. www.DSMTALK.com www.vfaq.com www.dsmtuners.com www.dsm.org just to name a few. Don't count them out, factory turbo and AWD.... nuff said.

I might be getting a GT Motor from Masterrepo for my escort and i got my ZX2 mirrors on and they look SICK

Matt



This topic blog is about what to do with my car not your DSM make a new topic or stick to the one u already have about your shit

Matt

He was reffering to my post which basically pointed out all the bad things about the dsm. Remember this post was made to talk about what kind of car you want...not to blog about what you are doing to your car now. He did not say anything about his car...

Also this is not the right section nor the right topic to be calling this a blog. If you continue to think of it as a blog I will lock it.

Sorely mistaken there, Matt. 91TSi was only being helpful. Read it again, it says nothing about his car. In fact, he also suggests another motor you can get cheap, easy power from.

Okay cool my bad i must have read it wrong. O shit i just read it again and yeah u all right my bad playa. I thought it said my engine is........ and my car is....... when he said you and yours my bad once again sorry dont be mad get glad

Matt

and what engine you talking about?????


Matt

He says it right here:

I can only think of one 4cyl motor that is equal to the power the 4g63 can make and that's the Nissan SR20-DET. I'm talking about bang for your buck.

He took the time to write it. Please take the time to read it.

Matt, I don't think you're a bad guy at all. You're new here so take some advice... you won't learn anything if you're the one doing all the talking. Sit back, ask questions, and learn from those who have years more wrench time than yourself....

With that being said... We're cool. No hard feelings.

I got a lx-e to part out , if your interested in it (as a whole car, I'm not parting it out), PM me

I disagree on the 4cylinder thing only other being sr20det, that is complete and utterly BS. You can take a bp-t to 13's very easy for less then 2000, or you can take the duratec 2.0 (focus rs motor) to well above 300 whp for less then 2000 (mind you its newer and will take some hands on work more then other motors)

Buying parts at new cost, a bp-t will give you more output then just about any motor.

If you did the same on the sr20det, or the focus motor you wouldn't see as much, I can probally say the same for DSM's but I dont look into them to often so things could have changed since last time I did.

Also the mazda FS motor is getting popular, and eventaully will have the same potential as those other motors listed.

Just cause its not factory turbo'd in america, doesn't mean its not over seas :D

Jarred a boost controller, fuel pump, full exhaust, and front mount will get the sr20 at 300whp...

theres not many cars you can say that about.

Id say thats pretty damn good for the very small amount of money and very small amount of effort put forth to get it there...

all lies stock t25/t28's wont make 300 whp unless you strain the turbo

T-25's... No T-28's... Oh yes they will. And besides, the manual 1st gen turbo's came with 14b's.... which were deffinately capable of 300awhp. Not only that but you throw a 16g ($300-$500) and you're in like flinn.

Agreed on a few counts but not all. 1 motor swapping isn't always cheap and more often than not, it's very time consuming. Not only that but if it's already here and readily available, that makes it easier. Not to say that those other motors you're mentioning aren't cool. I'm not taking anything away from them.

Jarred being PM'ed

My bad I was going off memory. The t25 will make around 230-250whp with the items mentioned. The t28 will make 300-320whp. As noted from all the research I did in the past from many sr20/silvia boards and faqs. I do tons of research on anything I plan to do before I spend a cent. From cost to efficiency.

There are a good number of motors out that are beasts...

dsm and nissan t25's/t28's are completely DIFFERENT turbo's

A nissan t28 will give you close to 300 whp, but anything more then that you are not pushing the motor, your pushing the limits of the turbo and its reliability.

conversation went from what car to buy, to buying a turbo for that car, even though he doesn't know what car he wants to get. or i missed out on something.
you can find good deals on cars anywhere, i picked up my zx2 for 2200 and it runs great on basically all stock parts. i think i had you pretty mad at me on noland friday night with it, not to mention i had kyle about ready to piss his pants.

matt was just joking about it friday, although it seemed pretty real to me... but yeah the wreckless driving to "catch up" was a bit much lol. and yeah, i always strap those belts hella tight when im passenger with you. you do scare the piss outta me lol

No shit man If i didnt know you or kyle didnt know u or u where in a civic i would have jumped out and beat the F*** out of u but its cool you gots a roll cage

Matt